Comments on: On Nation Building and Obama’s War http://www.civilianism.com/gate/2009/12/on-nation-building-and-obamas-war/ Rededicated to Peace Mon, 26 Jul 2010 01:14:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: S. T. http://www.civilianism.com/gate/2009/12/on-nation-building-and-obamas-war/#comment-664 S. T. Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:55:31 +0000 http://www.civilianism.com/gate/?p=2506#comment-664 I don't think we are disagreeing.... though Scott Ritter's points are different than mine. As for 9/11, who knows. We will never know. They still haven't figured out JFK's assassination, so I don't expect anyone to ever come to any truth about 9/11, ever. The time to figure out what happened was in 2001-2002 and I think that window has long passed us by. Evidence is destroyed, people are dying and will be all gone in 40 years or so. Then it will be far too late, and it probably already is. Bin Laden did a confession and explanation of sorts and there are some other confessions, but it's true they could all have been manufactured and the ones gotten by torture are crap from the start. I'm going to read your comments in the next podcast on this subject. I don’t think we are disagreeing…. though Scott Ritter’s points are different than mine.

As for 9/11, who knows. We will never know. They still haven’t figured out JFK’s assassination, so I don’t expect anyone to ever come to any truth about 9/11, ever. The time to figure out what happened was in 2001-2002 and I think that window has long passed us by. Evidence is destroyed, people are dying and will be all gone in 40 years or so. Then it will be far too late, and it probably already is. Bin Laden did a confession and explanation of sorts and there are some other confessions, but it’s true they could all have been manufactured and the ones gotten by torture are crap from the start.

I’m going to read your comments in the next podcast on this subject.

]]> By: Bugga http://www.civilianism.com/gate/2009/12/on-nation-building-and-obamas-war/#comment-663 Bugga Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:38:39 +0000 http://www.civilianism.com/gate/?p=2506#comment-663 Forgive me for voicing dissent on this matter. We can't even get a real investigation into why Nine Eleven happened. I find it hard to believe that bin Ladin had anything to do with the attacks. One of the earliest reports that is actually known by some of the thinking people who don't swallow hook, line and sinker the lies the media report remember that just after the awful attacks (about the only thing I don't question, that the attacks were horrible crimes) some reporters asked bin Ladin if he had anything to do with it. The reported reply was that he didn't have anything to do with it, but that he got on his knees and thanked A---h when he heard the news. If this is even half-true, it would tend to make him not guilty. Talking heads often refer to him as 'nine-eleven mastermind...' though he has never been formally charged by the government with having perpetrated that most horrible crime. If you look at the wanted posters in the post office, you can see his and it talks about some bad things, but I have yet to see him accused of the crime that made him famous on the official rap sheet. Strangely enough, everyone was able to ask him about it after the events in New York, etc., but then the military couldn't find him when they invaded many weeks later. Everyone knew where he was but then he wasn't there. Please don't expect us to believe that. I thought that some of the foreign voice analysis experts from Sweden and some of the Arab countries said the voice pattern did not match that of UBL. Correct me if I'm wrong. If more of the initial reports that came out and were changed later are true, UBL was on kidney dialysis. I don't care how many alleged special operatives go on 50 Minutes and claim they were so close and yet so far from getting UBL. He is probably dead and has probably been dead for years, maybe even as early as 2001 during Tora Bora. Even if all this is true about UBL and el-quesadilla and all that, the time of vengeance has passed. 1.3 million dead and the rape and torture even things out a bit, don't you think? Not only that, Iraq had nothing to do with it. What arrogance the Amerikkkans possess that after having killed 2 to 4 million people in Vietnam and who knows how many others over the last 100 or so years and their bloodlust may never be satisfied because of either blowback (horrible) and maybe a plan from within (still horrible and as lethal). The statement of odrama associating himself with anything MLK had to say or stood for beggars belief. It's shocking and utter horse puckey. MLK was a warrior for peace. MLK possibly lost his life for having denounced the Vietnam War. MLK fought for workers rights and was doing so when he was murdered in Memphis. MLK stood for something and wasn't the willing and compliant servant of Wall Street. MLK's beautiful wife and her beautiful soul could only inspire one to continue the work and to strive for peace. The horseshit statements made upon receiving the Peace Prize are a most disgusting insult to the life and legacy of Martin Luther and Coretta Scott King. It was sick when duh-by went to the grave of MLK, Jr. He and his wife who lived in a 'White Only' building insulting the memory of King by laying flowers on his grave. I thought it couldn't be topped. Now it has been topped for cruel irony. Forgive me for voicing dissent on this matter. We can’t even get a real investigation into why Nine Eleven happened. I find it hard to believe that bin Ladin had anything to do with the attacks. One of the earliest reports that is actually known by some of the thinking people who don’t swallow hook, line and sinker the lies the media report remember that just after the awful attacks (about the only thing I don’t question, that the attacks were horrible crimes) some reporters asked bin Ladin if he had anything to do with it. The reported reply was that he didn’t have anything to do with it, but that he got on his knees and thanked A—h when he heard the news. If this is even half-true, it would tend to make him not guilty. Talking heads often refer to him as ‘nine-eleven mastermind…’ though he has never been formally charged by the government with having perpetrated that most horrible crime. If you look at the wanted posters in the post office, you can see his and it talks about some bad things, but I have yet to see him accused of the crime that made him famous on the official rap sheet. Strangely enough, everyone was able to ask him about it after the events in New York, etc., but then the military couldn’t find him when they invaded many weeks later. Everyone knew where he was but then he wasn’t there. Please don’t expect us to believe that. I thought that some of the foreign voice analysis experts from Sweden and some of the Arab countries said the voice pattern did not match that of UBL. Correct me if I’m wrong. If more of the initial reports that came out and were changed later are true, UBL was on kidney dialysis. I don’t care how many alleged special operatives go on 50 Minutes and claim they were so close and yet so far from getting UBL. He is probably dead and has probably been dead for years, maybe even as early as 2001 during Tora Bora. Even if all this is true about UBL and el-quesadilla and all that, the time of vengeance has passed. 1.3 million dead and the rape and torture even things out a bit, don’t you think? Not only that, Iraq had nothing to do with it.
What arrogance the Amerikkkans possess that after having killed 2 to 4 million people in Vietnam and who knows how many others over the last 100 or so years and their bloodlust may never be satisfied because of either blowback (horrible) and maybe a plan from within (still horrible and as lethal). The statement of odrama associating himself with anything MLK had to say or stood for beggars belief. It’s shocking and utter horse puckey. MLK was a warrior for peace. MLK possibly lost his life for having denounced the Vietnam War. MLK fought for workers rights and was doing so when he was murdered in Memphis. MLK stood for something and wasn’t the willing and compliant servant of Wall Street. MLK’s beautiful wife and her beautiful soul could only inspire one to continue the work and to strive for peace. The horseshit statements made upon receiving the Peace Prize are a most disgusting insult to the life and legacy of Martin Luther and Coretta Scott King. It was sick when duh-by went to the grave of MLK, Jr. He and his wife who lived in a ‘White Only’ building insulting the memory of King by laying flowers on his grave. I thought it couldn’t be topped. Now it has been topped for cruel irony.

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